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Outer Space / Re: Lunar Mirror Mystery
« on: March 12, 2011, 08:42:24 AM »
The conditions on the Moon are beyond the imagination of many people, because they have no scientific background.  Explaining how the temperature can be several hundred degrees in the sun and minus several hundred degrees in the shade, or the effect of heating and contraction on things, or the steady barrage of micrometeorites, these things are simply beyond human experience.  When we are educated about the Cosmos, we have a better understanding of what conditions are like in most of it, but we still must visit someplace and spend some time there before we can truly know what is happening and why.  Vacuum makes things behave differently then they would in an atmosphere, gravity changes how stuff works, and so on.  Right now, we can only infer from our data  what is happening on the Moon, but someday we will be able to make observations firsthand.  (I hope.)

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General Questions / Re: Solor Reflactor
« on: March 12, 2011, 08:29:29 AM »
There is one application that I can think of.  In an Arthur C. Clarke story, a spaceship has come to Earth to try to rescue a few people before the sun goes nova.  They have only a few hours, but one of the exploration teams gets stuck in an automatic subway.  The ship commander tells the team that the ship will stay to the last possible moment.  One of the team asks how the commander will know if the sun has blown up when the ship is on the side of Earth away from the sun.  The commander replies that the planet's satellite is above his horizon, and he is monitoring the brightness.  If it increases suddenly, the main drive will automatically kick in.

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This is a personal preference, but I like it when someone spells out what an abbreviation means before they use it.  It only has to be done once, but it can avoid a lot of confusion.

Thank you!

Scott

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Technical Questions and Support / Re: Quiz error
« on: March 12, 2011, 08:12:01 AM »
This is an issue which I have noticed also.  If you are not alert, (Be a lert!) the answer can slip by before you know it.  I would think that having the information center screen where the quiz was would be more effective, with a 'close window' check box, or option.  Also, explanations might sometimes be appropriate, such as why the oldest material is distributed the way it is around a crater, etc.  Of course, I realize that someone has to write the explanations, but I have been quizzical about some things that I have gotten wrong.

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Thank you!  I was starting to feel a little dense because I couldn't find the controls.

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Cafe Copernicus / Re: Introduce yourself
« on: March 12, 2011, 07:54:10 AM »
Astrostu

Wow!  Thanks for the info.  However, I am fervently hoping that we will not need to see all of the images, because I believe that there will be people on the Moon surveying the territory themselves long before 2000 years are up.  Does anyone imagine that a database of images of the surface of the Earth as detailed as the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter database exists?  I know that we have extensive images of much of the Northern Hemisphere, but what about Africa, Australia, Asia?  Or northern Canada?  The LRO has done a magnificent job, and this database will probably be in use for many, many years.

Just re-reading your last post, and I realized that you were referring to NAC images, not LRO images.  What are NAC images, and what is the difference?  And each image that I look at in Crater Survey is 50 km by 2 km?  I would have thought that they were much smaller.

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Cafe Copernicus / Re: Introduce yourself
« on: March 09, 2011, 04:39:56 PM »
Thanx! 

Something which I thought of recently is this;  There are a finite number of surface details on the Moon, even though the number is quite large.  So, eventually we will have examined every image.  I doubt that the same can be said for Galaxy Zoo!  Hopefully, long after there are people living and working on the Moon, people will still be looking at Galaxy Zoo images.

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In a couple of forums, reference has been made to a tool which allows you to view the strip of images from which the one you were looking at was taken, as well as to get the coordinates of the image.  I have not been able to figure out how to do that, and I have marked a number of interesting features, but have never seen options for strip views or coordinates.  Also, to post an image to a forum, do I just copy and paste, or is there a process?

Thanx!

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Cafe Copernicus / Re: Introduce yourself
« on: February 27, 2011, 06:21:54 AM »
Does anyone know if the crater survey images are only from Earthside?

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Cafe Copernicus / Re: Do you notice any patterns?
« on: February 27, 2011, 06:18:07 AM »
What I am referring to as 'blank' images are the ones where the whole field is noise.  I have seen a couple of images where the effect was only partial, as part of the image area was in sunlight.  I have saved a couple in my favorites to use as examples.

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Cafe Copernicus / Re: so now what?
« on: February 26, 2011, 04:17:45 PM »
Well, it seems that another foam strike incident was barely avoided during the last shuttle launch.  Fortunately, the pieces came off at a high enough altitude where they are less likely to damage the tiles.(?)  But that tank had problems from the time that they filled it and emptied it the first time.  The insulation is exposed to such drastic temperature differences that it can not adhere properly to the tank.  Also, the tanks have cracked on a couple of occasions, which was only detected by examining the foam.

If the U. S. does go forward with some kind of launch vehicle which is man-rated, the only thing that we will be able to orbit will be a small capsule, holding at most 5 people, and more likely 4.  With one person being the pilot, that means that only three or four people will be rotated on each launch.  To support a large station, or allow more frequent crew rotations, we will have to launch quite often.  The shuttle can carry 7 people, in addition to the pilot and commander.  If the cargo bay were devoted to passenger accommodations, the shuttle could probably carry 20 passengers in comfort.

We don't seem to have any problem launching rockets which just carry cargo, it is the manned ones that give us so much grief.  That is because the thing has to work absolutely perfectly.  When you are going straight up, you can't pull over to check under the hood!  Which brings me to one of my pet rants:  Taking off straight up is no longer necessary, if we go about it right.  Up until the last few years, we could not build an aircraft big enough to carry a spacecraft capable of reaching orbit, which will probably weigh around 1.5 million pounds.  But the advances in carbon composite construction, as well as developments in engine technology, have brought us to the point where we could conceivably build a huge wing which could lift a spaceplane to a high enough altitude that it could use all of its propellant to gain speed, instead of fighting gravity.

Many people do not realize that getting into orbit is not a process of going straight up, but of going FAST in regards to the surface of the planet.  The only reason that rockets launch straight up is so that they can get out of the thickest part of the atmosphere as quickly as possible, because they cannot use their power to go fast until they are above most of the atmosphere.  By the time one reaches 50,000 feet, over three-quarters of the atmosphere is below you, so you can go fast.  And the faster you go, the higher you climb, as the velocity throws you away from the center of the planet.

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Cafe Copernicus / Do you notice any patterns?
« on: February 26, 2011, 03:57:19 PM »
To me, it looks like there have been several periods of bombardment, at least in many areas.  There are craters so worn down that they are almost invisible, and craters on top of those that are quite distinct, and then craters on top of those which look quite new.  Another thing which I have been noticing are impact chains.  Not crater chains, where the craters are interlinked, but impacts which appear to have happened in sequence.  Sometimes, I see double craters, too, and not after I have been drinking!  To me, it looks like a rock had split in two shortly before impacting.

One thing that disturbs me are the number of blank images, where the scanner did not have enough light, or something.  I just hope that the areas which were missed on those passes got picked up on some other one.

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Lunar Science / Re: Are We Going Back to the Moon?
« on: February 25, 2011, 11:18:13 AM »
"Blasting, billowing forth with the power of 10 billion butterfly sneezes, Man with his flaming fire has conquered the wayward breezes."  Or something like that.  The Moody Blues, from 'To Our Children's Children'.

If humanity does not return to the Moon, than humanity will have become extinct.  The only logical goal for the near term, the Moon offers something which no other goal can:  Visibility.  No other place in space looks like a place from Earth.  Everywhere else is just a point of light.  But we can see features on the Moon, and imagine going there.  Think about how you would feel if you looked up at the Moon and knew that there were people living and working up there.  Would that change your perceptions of the Earth?

Aside from that, the Moon is our closest source of materials off-planet.  And those materials are in a very shallow gravity well, which means that getting them off the Moon will be fairly easy.  Also, there is no atmosphere, so we can launch right from the surface.

The Earth's atmosphere is the biggest obstacle to our exploring space, because it is so hard to get above it with enough energy left over to reach orbit.  Because going into orbit is not about how high you can go, but how fast you can go.

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Cafe Copernicus / Re: Favourite fiction
« on: February 22, 2011, 11:32:43 AM »
For me, Arthur C. Clarke's 'Earthlight' is the best story about the Moon I have ever read.  He depicts people living and working on the Moon in a fashion which is everyday, mundane, yet still exciting.  Probably next on my list would be his 'A Fall Of Moondust', which also depicts a well-developed society on the Moon.  As far as cinema goes, '2001: A Space Odyssey' is by far and away the best at depicting the Moon as it will be someday, with regular passenger flights, underground bases, and conference rooms. 

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Cafe Copernicus / Re: Introduce yourself
« on: February 22, 2011, 10:49:39 AM »
Greetings, Everyone!  My name is Scott, and I live on the other side of the Cascade mountains from DJ and Tom128.  I have enjoyed looking at the Moon all of my life, and dreamed of seeing men living and working there constantly.  This is the most valuable project there is, I think, because there are very few eyeballs looking at this data, compared to the images on Galaxy Zoo.  We will get to the Moon long before we reach any other galaxies.

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